R v. W overturned

[JP aka LiveFromNY Find all posts View Profile Close JP]

JP, ignorance has consequences and we're all responsible on some level for what we don't know. Much of what you're describing is an intentional truth and fact avoidance..

Then judge them for avoiding facts, or for choosing to wear blinders, not for condoning pedophilia.

This IS America where there's plenty of leisure time and resources to search out objective truth

Not for everyone, my friend.

I grew up in a small town with a mother and step-father who both worked at an aluminum plant. With 6 kids to feed (and one of them being a complete pain-in-the-ass), a mortgage to pay, college educations to save for, and on and on, trust me that my parents had exactly zero leisure time to seek out the "objective truth". Hell, I don't think I ever saw my dad sitting down until he was diagnosed with a terminal illness in his late 50's (caused by breathing dust at the aluminum plant).

I still have friends and relatives back home living this exact life. A step-brother who is a hard-working tire mechanic. Cousins who are farmers. A high-school friend who works as a garbage man in the mornings and a security guard at night. All hard-working men and women with mouths to feed and day-to-day stresses that many of us have forgotten about. You and I are the fortunate ones who do indeed have leisure time to seek truth or spend however we want. But I can assure you that it's not a given for everyone.

[rubyred 2.0L Find all posts View Profile Close rubyred]

I've already outed myself as a liberal so I'll take it for granted that you and I probably have our disagreements. But one thing I agree with is your hands-off moderation policy and your decision to let the community decide what's ok and what isn't ok for ourselves. With you being the person who holds all the power, you could very easily moderate views you don't agree with out of existence and the fact that you don't speaks highly of your principles and your integrity. HUGE admiration for that and I, for one, will be sticking around to be part of the solution. I'm loving these new forums.

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I'm probably more liberal than some in this thread. Certainly Frank. But I 100% support allowing this free discourse to continue. Let's not start making certain subjects off limits. Especially in off topic threads.

[Frank Beck Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Frank Beck]

Then judge them for avoiding facts, or for choosing to wear blinders, not for condoning pedophilia.



Not for everyone, my friend.

I grew up in a small town with a mother and step-father who both worked at an aluminum plant. With 6 kids to feed (and one of them being a complete pain-in-the-ass), a mortgage to pay, college educations to save for, and on and on, trust me that my parents has exactly zero leisure time to seek out the "objective truth". Hell, I don't think I ever saw my dad sitting down until he was diagnosed with a terminal illness in his late 50's (caused by breathing dust at the aluminum plant).

I still have friends and relatives back home living this exact life. A step-brother who is a hard-working tire mechanic. Cousins who are farmers. A high-school friend who works as a garbage man in the mornings and a security guard at night. All hard-working men and women with mouths to feed and day-to-day stresses that many of us have forgotten about. You and I are the fortunate ones who do indeed have leisure time to seek truth or spend however we want. But I can assure you that it's not a given for everyone.

Not sure your "Grapes of Wrath" family experience is the norm in 2022 but enlightening nonetheless. Thanks for sharing!

[DaveRo 2.2L Find all posts View Profile Close DaveRo]

Not sure your "Grapes of Wrath" family experience is the norm in 2022 but enlightening nonetheless. Thanks for sharing!

Please tell me that comment was a lame attempt at a joke. There are MILLIONS of families in this country living paycheck to paycheck with parents that work 2, sometimes 3 jobs who are barely getting by and who consider themselves lucky if they have just enough leisure time to watch their kids ballgame on Saturday or spend a few minutes reading them a story before they tuck them in at night... and nothing else. I'm happy for anyone whose life has allowed them to miss these experiences but none of us should pretend that they're not real or even uncommon. I can assure you, they are very common indeed.

[Frank Beck Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Frank Beck]

Please tell me that comment was a lame attempt at a joke. There are MILLIONS of families in this country living paycheck to paycheck with parents that work 2, sometimes 3 jobs who are barely getting by and who consider themselves lucky if they have just enough leisure time to watch their kids ballgame on Saturday or spend a few minutes reading them a story before they tuck them in at night... and nothing else. I'm happy for anyone whose life has allowed them to miss these experiences but none of us should pretend that they're not real or even uncommon. I can assure you, they are very common indeed.

Oh brother... Please tell me where you gleaned your stats. I'm being sincere. I'd bet a Quick Pick Lottery ticket most of those parents more than likely have a cell phone and many have Facebook or are on some other type of social media.

If they didn't vote Democrat they would have much more money and free time!

[sebaroher Seabass Find all posts View Profile Close sebaroher]

If they didn't vote Democrat they would have much more money and free time!

I've never understood why the libs claim to be for the "middle class" when they work so tirelessly to destroy it! You are right though, my 401K was never better under the "bad orange man," and I sure do miss that $2 a gallon gas. Oh well. We'll stick it out until November.

[DaveRo 2.2L Find all posts View Profile Close DaveRo]

Oh brother... Please tell me where you gleaned your stats. I'm being sincere. I'd bet a Quick Pick Lottery ticket most of those parents more than likely have a cell phone and many have Facebook or are on some other type of social media.

You believe that owning a cell phone is some sort of luxury these days? Odd.

Stats? The census? Brookings? The Fed? Something like two thirds of Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck. Some, of course, the result of poor decisions or even choice. But many do so through no fault of their own. Almost 40 million Americans living in poverty. Many due to drug addiction or mental health issues. Certainly others by choice. But the working poor is significant part of the total.

If they didn't vote Democrat they would have much more money and free time!

The majority of poor people in this country live in a Republican congressional district.

https://www.brookings.edu/research/p...arty-lines/#AL

"Although the poverty rate is higher in districts represented by Democrats, most poor people in the United States live in a community represented by a Republican. Taken together, the poverty rate in districts represented by Democrats in 2016 (“blue” districts) was 17.1 percent in 2010-14 compared with 14.4 percent in those represented by Republicans (“red” districts). But Republican districts have more poor residents overall: 25.1 million poor people lived in red districts in 2010-14 compared with 22.7 million in blue districts."

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Nice quote... assuming you apply the data to some logical understanding of basic economics..the Income distribution in 'rural districts'.' Red in your example, is driven by economic opportunities not just political affiliations. The fact that the majority of Blue districts happen to be on both coast , where the ability to earn a higher income exists, says little about politics and more about voter location... Your reference is to paint citizens living in Red districts as 'poor' thus conflating their location to a choice in political affiliation, disregards the economic power of the Costal States. That dynamic is slowly changing as hispanic citizens and african american voters move towards the republican party. Watch the coming midterms... Both minority groups are awaking to the social damage the extreme lefts policies are bringing to their lives. School choice is a massive driver of that movement!

[DaveRo 2.2L Find all posts View Profile Close DaveRo]

I've never understood why the libs claim to be for the "middle class" when they work so tirelessly to destroy it!

They're not. And now everyone can see it. That's the panic you see in Pelosi's eyes.

[Frank Beck Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Frank Beck]

You believe that owning a cell phone is some sort of luxury these days? Odd.

Stats? The census? Brookings? The Fed? Something like two thirds of Americans live paycheck-to-paycheck. Some, of course, the result of poor decisions or even choice. But many do so through no fault of their own. Almost 40 million Americans living in poverty. Many due to drug addiction or mental health issues. Certainly others by choice. But the working poor is significant part of the total.



The majority of poor people in this country live in a Republican congressional district.

https://www.brookings.edu/research/p...arty-lines/#AL

"Although the poverty rate is higher in districts represented by Democrats, most poor people in the United States live in a community represented by a Republican. Taken together, the poverty rate in districts represented by Democrats in 2016 (“blue” districts) was 17.1 percent in 2010-14 compared with 14.4 percent in those represented by Republicans (“red” districts). But Republican districts have more poor residents overall: 25.1 million poor people lived in red districts in 2010-14 compared with 22.7 million in blue districts."

2016?
lol

How about stats that are more contemporary and better suited to this conversation?
Thanks.

My point about the poor owning cell phones was not that it’s a sign of luxury but that they have access to information and media. Drug addicts, homeless, and the mentally ill? This conversation is about people who work for a living and vote.

[DaveRo 2.2L Find all posts View Profile Close DaveRo]

2016?
lol

How about stats that are more contemporary and better suited to this conversation?
Thanks.

That's the best data available currently. It's likely to be even higher based on unpublished data and assumptions being made regarding specific demographics and asset gains and losses during the pandemic.

[DaveRo 2.2L Find all posts View Profile Close DaveRo]

Drug addicts, homeless, and the mentally ill? This conversation is about people who work for a living and vote.

Yes, exactly as I specified after discounting the drug addicts and the mentally ill: The working poor.

[sebaroher Seabass Find all posts View Profile Close sebaroher]

They're not. And now everyone can see it. That's the panic you see in Pelosi's eyes.

The only panic you see in her eyes is when the vodka is running out or when her husband is arrested for DUI

In all seriousness, I hope there is a shift back to the way things were in the not-so-distant past. We simply cannot continue on this trajectory. It's not sustainable for the majority of Americans.

[Frank Beck Banned Find all posts View Profile Close Frank Beck]

Yes, exactly as I specified after discounting the drug addicts and the mentally ill: The working poor.

The working poor… we can’t even hire unskilled labor at 45k a year.

[sebaroher Seabass Find all posts View Profile Close sebaroher]

The working poor… we can’t even hire unskilled labor at 45k a year.

Exactly. Dispels the myth of the "working poor." Honestly....lack of drive/ambition, laziness, liberal/socialist ideals, etc. are the BIGGEST factors in why a person stays poor and blames others for their own misfortunes...

[JP aka LiveFromNY Find all posts View Profile Close JP]

The working poor… we can’t even hire unskilled labor at 45k a year.

Welcome to the new America. In most places $45k a year is poor. It certanly is in Austin. We better slow this disaster down and soon or we'll be seeing the death of the American dream.